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Will a KCMA-D8 boot without the 8pin EPSV12 cable if you are using a 35W CPU?
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T***@gmx.com
2018-10-17 21:52:44 UTC
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I wish to use a picopsu with one which is why I am wondering.
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Angel Pons
2018-10-18 13:16:21 UTC
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Hello,

First and foremost, I don't have a KCMA-D8.

I believe the power traces are different, so the CPU VRM feeds only through
the EPS12V connector. However, if your PicoPSU is large enough, I guess a
EPS12V cable can be attached to it.

Regards,

Angel Pons

P.S. I forgot to "Reply to all", sorry ._.
Nico Huber
2018-10-19 09:15:18 UTC
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Post by Angel Pons
I believe the power traces are different, so the CPU VRM feeds only through
the EPS12V connector. However, if your PicoPSU is large enough, I guess a
EPS12V cable can be attached to it.
Probably not for a 35W CPU, but generally: Using adapters for the
EPS12V connector is dangerous. They have more than two pins for a
simple reason: The electrical current through each pin/connection must
not get too high. There are adapters that route the whole current
through a single pin on the other end (e.g. a single old-school PATA
drive connector). Never use these unless you know they can take the
current you expect! (e.g. not much more than 3A for a 35W TDP, that
might be ok for a single pin, but you should read each connectors
specs)

Same applies to the tiny connectors for (hard)-drives on the PicoPSU,
if the current goes through less pins on the PicoPSU side, don't do it
(unless you know what you are doing).

There are PicoPSUs that have a 4-pin EPS12V connector btw. So I'm not
sure what the original question was; would it work w/o full 8 pins? or
would it work w/o any? The former likely yes, the latter likely no.

Nico
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Angel Pons
2018-10-19 09:49:07 UTC
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Hello,
Post by Nico Huber
Probably not for a 35W CPU, but generally: Using adapters for the
EPS12V connector is dangerous. They have more than two pins for a
simple reason: The electrical current through each pin/connection must
not get too high. There are adapters that route the whole current
through a single pin on the other end (e.g. a single old-school PATA
drive connector). Never use these unless you know they can take the
current you expect! (e.g. not much more than 3A for a 35W TDP, that
might be ok for a single pin, but you should read each connectors
specs)
Agreed. I have seen a cheap power supply whose ATX12V wires got warm
because of this. I oblviously rebuilt the power supply, including replacing
said wire.
Post by Nico Huber
Same applies to the tiny connectors for (hard)-drives on the PicoPSU,
if the current goes through less pins on the PicoPSU side, don't do it
(unless you know what you are doing).
I have some SATA DVD units that can use up to 2.5 A on the 12V line, and
another PATA unit (with a Molex connector) which uses the same. Using two
+12V wires from two different connectors should be enough to power the CPU.
Post by Nico Huber
There are PicoPSUs that have a 4-pin EPS12V connector btw. So I'm not
sure what the original question was; would it work w/o full 8 pins? or
would it work w/o any? The former likely yes, the latter likely no.
I think so. In fact, I have a 95W CPU on a 8-pin motherboard powered by a 4-pin
power cable, and the computer runs fine. And none of my boards run without
the 12V CPU power cable (I forget about it too often).

I found the w.r.t. power supplies and connectors:
- https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-power-supplies/
(page 3 is probably the most relevant)

- http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=207
PicoPSU roundup (from 2010, somewhat old, but still interesting)

Best regards,

Angel Pons Pons
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T***@gmx.com
2018-11-17 02:14:46 UTC
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Thanks for replying all!
Post by Nico Huber
Post by Angel Pons
I believe the power traces are different, so the CPU VRM feeds only through
the EPS12V connector. However, if your PicoPSU is large enough, I guess a
EPS12V cable can be attached to it.
Probably not for a 35W CPU
In comparison I have various other boards with higher wattage CPU's that
lack EPS connectors such as an AM1 for a 40W CPU...what is different? I
mean the 8pin one not the 4pin cpu cable.
Post by Nico Huber
but generally: Using adapters for the
EPS12V connector is dangerous.
I know - I am the one who added that on the wiki :D but it is always
good to repeat it :D
Post by Nico Huber
They have more than two pins for a
simple reason: The electrical current through each pin/connection must
not get too high. There are adapters that route the whole current
through a single pin on the other end (e.g. a single old-school PATA
drive connector).
Oh man that is bad

I wanted to either not connect a 8pin cable at all since a very similar
platform on the AM1 series doesn't need or come with one or use one of
my adapters that combines a 4PIN CPU cable and a molex cable which has
worked fine on my H8SCM with the same CPU before I got a new PSU for it
(H8SCM only $40 - I don't want to risk this $300 brand new KCMA-D8
although they are going for only $90 china used on fleabay atm)
Post by Nico Huber
Never use these unless you know they can take the
current you expect! (e.g. not much more than 3A for a 35W TDP, that
might be ok for a single pin, but you should read each connectors
specs)
Same applies to the tiny connectors for (hard)-drives on the PicoPSU,
if the current goes through less pins on the PicoPSU side, don't do it
(unless you know what you are doing).
I always check the ratings.
Post by Nico Huber
There are PicoPSUs that have a 4-pin EPS12V connector btw.
I know I have one :D

But dont I still need 8 pins total?
Post by Nico Huber
So I'm not
sure what the original question was; would it work w/o full 8 pins?
I just want to make it work with a normal CPU 4pin cable
Post by Nico Huber
or
would it work w/o any? The former likely yes, the latter likely no.
Nico
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Angel Pons
2018-11-17 07:18:06 UTC
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Hello,
Post by T***@gmx.com
I just want to make it work with a normal CPU 4pin cable
With a 35W CPU, I don't think anything bad would happen if you use a
4pin ATX12V cable (better try a regular ATX PSU first) then try to
power up. At most, the board may not boot because the CPU is not
powered. If it works, swapping the ATX PSU with a PicoPSU should work
too.

Best regards,

Angel Pons Pons
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